Martin Bilodeau | Keeper of the Dream: Tantra, the Inner Buddha, & Building a Utopia

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Welcome to Mythic.

This is the first episode in a year and a half, and this is a

perfect opportunity to do it.

this is where we explore meaningful living through the power of myth, ancient lore,

modern pop culture, and depth psychology.

And today.

Tantra, I'm your host, Boston Blake, and I'm recording this.

Oh my God.

I'm recording this from Pachalegria, a retreat and Healing Center

in Zipolite, Mexico, and we're gonna talk more about that later.

I've been here for about two weeks doing something I had never done before.

a men's tantra retreat.

And the man who led it is sitting right next to me.

Hello,

Martin Bilodeau is quebecois, a public figure in Canada, and the bestselling

author of Awaken Your Inner Buddha, A Practical Guide to Modern Tantrism.

And Chronicles of an urban Buddhist, and they're currently

only available in French.

Martin is French Canadian, So if we run into linguistic bumps, that'll be

part of the fun and part of the ride.

Martins path runs through, let's see, indigenous shamanism, Buddhism,

Tibetan tantra and lineages from Osho.

Yogi Bajan and, uh, Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche.

Yep.

Did I get that right?

Full exploration.

All of it.

All of this weaving together.

Half of my life in India, Asia and Canada, and around the world.

And that's the spiritual tradition.

But you're also an academic, you're trained as a social psychologist.

Yeah.

So that brings a whole other flavor.

and Martin told me that this is his first English language podcast.

Yeah.

So let's bring what you to.

It's gonna be fun.

It's gonna be fun.

Yep.

Oh

my God.

It is a dream.

I'm literally living inside of Martin's creation.

I came for a week and I decided

isn't my vision actually, I created Boston.

you've created me inside your space

here.

I do feel like I've been recreated since I've been here.

Ah, you're so right.

Thank you so much.

And I wanna talk about that today, what that recreation

means, what creation means.

I think I wanna approach this with your mission.

So you talked about four spiritual emergencies.

Yep.

Yeah.

what are the, what are those emergencies?

And we'll use this as.

As our, as Ariadne's thread as we go into the labyrinth of myth.

How does that sound?

Yeah, it's good.

Great.

I think that I start with Buddhism because it's the path that, like interests me and

awakening me at spirituality, like the true meaning of spirituality, like working

on our true self, on our inner world, beliefs, thoughts and everything that is.

Untangible inside of us.

So yeah, it became, I think that I discover Buddhism around 17, 18 years

old through a books of Alexandra David Neal, which maybe have 30, 40 books.

She's the first adventurer woman, in occident that, literally take, or pat by

walk and discover Nepal, Tibet, India.

And yeah, she write about Buddhism, the hermits, the Sanskrit, the

teachings of all those countries, like today, once in ago.

And I discovered Buddhism through my path of, I think questioning the

meaning of life and questioning myself.

I was really young, but it's like that.

And yeah, it bring me with a lot of intensity in the spirituality.

And in my twenties, I consecrate myself to, to be a good Buddhist.

A good Buddhist,

yeah.

studying many hours a week, doing the program of study to teach Buddhism,

two hours meditation, one hours during the morning in the night visiting

the Buddhism temple in Montreal.

Doing a retreat, annual retreat of Buddhism, visiting the qua temple in

India and Nepal from my tradition.

And yeah, just doing like the path that I taught was the spiritual path

With a lot of passion.

and I just, I discovered all this different, actually way to actualize,

but the same in our daily life, which is also a challenge was maybe more even

25, 30 years ago, because there was scholarship Buddhism, monastery lifestyle

Buddhism, but it was not like Buddhist.

How we live, the Buddhist teaching the Dharma, in the daily life.

In the, this modern life.

It's so easy when you're in the temple.

When I visit temple, when I live in monastery, when I stay there for

weeks or months in silence, studying, praying, meditation, it's easy.

If you remove yourself from the world, then the world doesn't disturb you.

Yeah.

And it doesn't.

It's Nirvana.

It's Nirvana.

How lovely.

No, but also you can bring all your shit inside of you and bring it in the temple.

Which is you need to see clean and, yeah.

Heal.

Liberate yourself from it.

But yeah, I like the intensity of a practice.

I like the intensity of living the path.

And I like this kind of absorption that you can have when you, you

are surrendered by all the, even sometime if, it's too much is IC or

chloric, ritual or ceremony and stuff.

I think that.

Being surrounded by it and living into it.

It's a way to, to see that it's part of a culture, it's part of a civilization even.

It's part of a, of many beliefs that is sometime esoteric, sometime religious.

So you can also absorb the philosophy, the psychology aspect.

That you need to integrate.

In what we are right now in, in this era.

Of life.

So if I understood you correctly, you're saying that cerebral that in

intellectual component is important,

but it's important to understand to first we need to change beliefs.

Okay.

So the way we see the world, it is also our beliefs can

change radically to experience.

But also we need to challenge our beliefs.

There's this kind of a. Scrap there that, made the world good and bad, and

judgment and and normative narrative kind of, storytelling that we say

about society and others and, rich and poor and, and justice in the world.

So all that.

We can reconfigure that differently.

What's an example, like a specific belief that it really serves to

challenge and re reimagine or rewire?

For me in the.

And at the time in the Buddhist path, one of the main belief that

changed my life at 20 ish years old Was the path of the bodhicitta

like the way that compassion, need to be, can be everything, can be part

of every action thought everything you do and every choice even.

So the way that we see the world usually is through attachment.

So it's mean, something that I like.

It's mine.

Something I don't like, I want to push it out.

So it's a hate and love, but it's not love, actually.

It's attachment desire.

And, aversion or push it away.

This is one way to configure it.

Our whole life.

We do vision board about that.

We do strategy about our years.

We do intentions, about what we want and, what we dislike.

Compassion is to see the world through, through a heart that

want to see everybody happy.

the life nature, there's no contradiction.

And it need also to make the contradiction disappear between what

make me happy and what can contribute the world community society to be happy.

How I can be a happy being, surrounded by happy beings and

how we live in harmony altogether.

So that the way to see the world is not what I will take from the world.

It's what I can bring to the world.

Compassion is this opposite line of energy.

So the ego see the world like what I can take.

more.

It's dopamine world here in the ego world, but compassion, connecting,

I think more to a true essence.

Soul.

But it's the way to see the world.

So what I, what am I bringing to the world today?

How I contribute to the what I serve.

Somehow that's making me think of, there's appetite and desire.

And then love and compassion, as you say, like one is getting and

one is giving and compassion.

If it's an inner.

To use a, capitalist term or a economics term.

It's a resource.

Yeah.

But it's something that's self-generated.

It's always available.

It's not something you can get out there.

Oh, someone is giving me compassion.

It is yours to give.

Yeah.

Love is the same thing.

the better way to feel love, actually, it's to love.

Say you are sure that you are full of love and filled by love when you love.

You allow yourself to love everyone.

As much as possible.

you don't deserve love.

You don't deserve to be loved.

You are loved.

You are love in action.

You are loving in touch.

You are love in your eyes, you love in every heartbeat your love.

You let yourself be filled by love.

We're a creator of love.

So just be caring and loving and kind, and you're sure that you are, you're in love.

I'm trying to remember how you articulated this as a spiritual emergency.

You said something, let's see if I may have actually written it down.

Oh.

Oh yeah.

You, yeah.

You said putting love back at the center of our lives.

Yeah.

that is, and that is it.

And when you, actually, yeah.

When you say this is an emergency, it's a powerful word.

What's, what do you mean by emergency?

I work for.

For almost 15 years.

As a organizer and manager of a young service association for

homeless, addicted and delinquent.

And I observe in this work that even what we fear in the world,

like the violence people, the delinquent, addict people that.

It's true that they are only suffering creators right now.

So even us we're, the day that I'm not at my best, it's because

I don't feel good inside.

So in repetition, it proved me that it'll take time.

We will need to be patient, but I'm pretty sure that if all our wounds

are created but lack of love or the opposite of being a love and care, what

will heal us will be love, for sure.

So if we want a world that everyone.

It is not, dangerous for us.

It's not violence, it's not desperate.

It's not, we need to put love right now, like more than everything.

And love for me, it's the way of the heart that is stronger than the way of the mind

because the mind can always disassociate ourself for our ca for a group of person.

For, political view, different ideology, different race even.

I don't even understand that we talk again about races, fuck, we're

human say even we're just, Which is in the, in or on the earth.

But yeah, that the mind can even give us good reason to hate someone,

to have resentment about someone to not forgive that memory or.

But the heart why to love what make your heart at peace.

Love.

So the way of the heart is always love.

So just fuck, love.

You just made me think like the mind, like the way we use our minds in this

modern era is we use it to dissect, yep.

To cut things up, to separate things.

It is this and not that.

It is that and not this, I am this and not that.

I am more of what I want and less of what I don't want.

And you are different from me and blah, blah, blah, blah.

And the heart.

As you use it, no age, know things as a whole.

Yeah.

It's a six, month years old Child that just love, look at the world they love.

There's no good, bad, evil, blah, blah.

There's no, he did that to me yesterday.

Says you reborn yourself in this kind of field of joy and peace and compassion.

That is love.

And I really think that we need to talk again about that.

That, okay, that looked cheesy.

It's looked romantic, but we just confuse everything about attachment,

desire, romantic view, love.

It's a radical offering of ourself.

It's a radical Come back to our essence.

It's really what every kind of real spirituality talk about

being your own great spirit, being reconnect to your soul.

It's like it want to love.

There's something inside of us that just want to love everything,

everyone, every day, nights.

We are born to express that love, like infinite waves of oceans in the world.

I really believe in it, but we need to listen less that and really more

body, heart connected together.

We, I some, somebody say something bad to me, my head can spin and I

can hate it and revenge myself and criticize or have a superiority complex

because it can go any direction.

What my heart want to be in peace to love.

Say I want to love, I can really make an effort to love a little bit more.

Just if we talk about using the head to protect the heart, like the head thinks

the heart can be injured by something other than a bullet or an arrow.

The but the pain, but the heart wants to expand, the heart,

want the heart moves the house.

The heart is

the protection, the ultimate protection.

Already there's a field of joy, peace and love that is there.

In, in, in Buddhism, we'll say that the, Om Mani Padme Hum the mantra of

compassion, is the ultimate, protection.

Oh, I love that.

Because compassion when I wish you to be happy and whatever you told me, whatever

you do to me, whatever you are in the world, whatever you do, not what you are

actually, because we confuse that also.

When I wish you happiness, I wish happiness to a coyote,

the desert of, of Arizona.

not because he eat or hunt rabbits in the night when he is frenzy, just

because it's a creature that exists.

And I can wish for everyone to be happy.

I think we can wish.

And we can be more kind to each other, like a lot more.

Doesn't say that we need to give everyone permission to do everything.

We, we still need to have justice and protect the innocent and have a meaning

of life and educate people that don't know how to behave even before they learn.

We can do something for them to not behave in a society maybe and be in

close environment, but there are our emotion even that need to be loved.

Like a parents that will give permission or a rules in the house.

It's not because she hate, or they hate their kids.

Is because they love them.

So we need, just say we can be good parents to each other.

We can be good brothers and sister.

Love doesn't mean to allow everyone to do to put bombs everywhere because

he find it fun or he slap in his face, his sisters and brothers.

No, it's,

no, and love is the whole,

yeah.

It's not.

So our parents love and he educate, transmit values, talk about things, give

you a chance to go in your rooms and think about what you It's that it's,

but in your heart, it's full of love.

There's no hatred, there's no revenge, there's no resentment.

It's that's poisoning the world right now.

Just a moment ago, you mentioned the head, the heart, and then you brought the body

in, which is where tantra comes into this.

Yeah.

Will you talk a little bit about that tantra as this path and how

I'll, where I'd like to weave this is into the archetypes.

You used some really powerful mythic archetypes in our session.

Yeah.

I think that the body is also the recipient of everything.

It's the, it is the way that we can feel and be connected to the world.

Not to our instinct.

Not only desire, not only potion and compulsion, but truly we can

feel the, actually the body, with its 5 sense and maybe even more.

It is the way that we truly connect to the world.

I feel the wind right now.

I see you and at the same time I smell flowers and I hear the birds, and

it's like I'm already in, in ecstasy.

I just need to open the doors of every sense.

And the sensuality of this day, of this moment is there for me to enjoy.

And in this, there's a serenity, there's a peace.

There's no more thoughts, there's no more.

So the body is always in the moment present.

So we talk about this present moment at this time that you

hear now the power of now.

The body is always there.

And we talk in the spirituality about how we need to be united,

in communion, connected together.

This body is always a doorway to everything that's surrounding me.

Like in the pure feeling sense of it.

So if we listen to it, if we go deeper in it, if we just submerge ourself to the

feeling, sensation, sensuality of living.

There's a joy, there's a celebration, there's life first there's but is

a alive, the mind can be so dead.

The same idea, the dead idea.

The wrong idea.

The negative idea, the regression idea.

This body, every heartbeat, every breath is a symphony of life force.

This is there.

So we need to reconnect.

We.

I don't think that in any societies before us, we were that much

disconnected from our body because we don't need the body as much as before.

So we don't breathe, walk, fight, scream, enjoy, do fire dance around the, there's

a connection with nature, the elements each other that pass through the bodies.

Now we living in the different houses and different rooms.

Even the couple live in different beds and it's like.

We touch when we want, but the rest of the time we're not emerged, we're protected

even from the environment here in Mexico, we sweat we laugh, we eat with our hands.

We hug everyone, it's, there's something sensual, but what it mean it's feel good.

There's even mond that is ocytocin that is, Not only attachment, but

love and compassion and empathy and happiness that is activating our body.

it's show us the way to be related to everyone.

And everything.

This is something I have noticed since I've been in Mexico and

it was true in, Puerto Vallarta and it was true in Oaxaca City.

But in Zipolite it's dialed up and that is the connection to the world around.

the waves are intense.

I don't know if they can be heard, but we hear them crashing.

Last night it sounded like a demolition, but you have to be

aware, they're down at the beach.

There's a, there's a. and it's luxurious.

Yeah.

Yes.

They're dangerous, but it's just delicious.

And

we play with it.

We play with nature.

Actually.

The nature play with us.

Yes.

We don't play with fucking nothing, just it play with us.

Yeah.

And the people, there's the cooking, the way people throw themselves into the

cooking, the way they throw themselves into, there's a lot of work happening.

Yeah.

All the time.

People are using their bodies.

And it's hot and it's sweat.

Yeah.

We do our, we do a wall of stone with the, my workers here, they do

stones by themselves one by one.

We do the walls, we cook, we go, we walk down, we take, actually

the fish is in the ocean here.

the pollo give us, eggs.

The fruit and the ES is everywhere.

We can grab it, smell it, see it.

We're surrounded by.

The world can be really more sensual than intellectual and rational.

This is what we need to go back to.

Otherwise, why this form?

Yes.

Why those feelings?

All the hormones in the body is secreted in this body.

So everything that configurate, even organs in the immune

system or mental health.

It's there to be filled.

This experience, this life, it's an opportunity to feel

Not to think otherwise.

It will be a computer, it will be a box, it will be, something

that will script in the wall.

In the wall, but.

We are here to feel

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

And we'll feel, at the end of our lives, we'll feel just a moment longer Yeah.

Than we think.

And it's holding on to the like, all we'll want is one more breath.

Yeah.

And that is something that we forget, and I don't know what it's like in

Montreal, but in San Francisco for 30 years I spent a, well as a massage

therapist, I used my body a lot.

As a coach and creative, I was on my laptop all the time.

So my brain, so my eyes are on my laptop, my world gets this big, and

then I go out to the gym to use my body.

I go dancing to use my body, but it's all in a kind of contained environment.

Yeah.

And then I come back this an

hour and after that, yeah.

You freeze again.

Yep.

Here at Pachalegria and the way our, our tanha workshop was structured with

movement in the morning, followed by communal time at a table, followed

by going and weaving into the town, coming back from more movement.

then when it was over, that flow has continued dancing,

moving, eating with other people,

breathing, laughing, hugging, feeling, crying, screaming,

enjoying this is the way to live.

Yes, we miss that.

Everybody's craving for a life.

The meaning of life.

It's to live more.

That's it.

Yeah.

Enjoy more, cry more, scream more.

That's it.

hug more, smell more.

It's more why we disconnect ourself from all of that I don't know.

We talked about the power of the body and the power of the sexual energy of the

body, and the the kundalini you used this.

Image of the labyrinth that at the center of the labyrinth is the mour.

I had never heard the, I

never heard this.

Yeah.

I like to mix my mythology.

So go from a kundalini, the dragon of the Taoist, Kundalini, and the milour.

That is a life force, brute, pure life force.

And it works like the image works so well.

Delis who created the labyrinth was a, was an engineer from the head.

the

mind with the mind.

And so he, the king says, we have to trap this beast.

Yeah.

Beast me, meaning, out of control force.

Strange.

And instead of killing it, and they couldn't kill it

because the gods, they cannot

kill it.

Kill

it.

So you, so they created a way that it couldn't get out.

And so that, that vital force goes in circles.

Yeah.

and finally just stops until the hero comes along and starts to connect.

That connect with that primal force.

Yeah.

And Ariadne's love.

She's the one who guide, who loves.

So it's love that will guide us to come back to our true strained force power.

I think, and the heroes is always the conscious.

It's who is conscious of itself.

Of himself though.

It's the conscious looking, the quest Of the self, I feel this year when we talk

right now in the world, what is happening?

We feel always powerless.

and we feel that we fear to be cut of our power.

But me, I really feel that we fear, most of all to be powerful, to create

a life, to create a vision, to manifest ourself, to live truly and fully this.

What happened when I'm free myself, I free the Minotaur

if I, my creative instinctive.

Inner primal strain.

If I tap on it every day and I say, my God, I'm so free,

I'm so free, I'm so alive.

I want to devour this existence.

I want to contribute to it.

I want to see this world to be better.

I want to love more.

What happen if you do that and you free yourself from your daily

life, your thinking, judgment, convention, attachment, fear.

If you free yourself, the minator is free in the librarian, which is the mind stop.

What is when there's a inner space that everything is free and liberate.

What?

You're not trapping yourself again and again and again.

Because the labyrinth is a, it's not a way to find ourself.

It's was a way to lose ourself.

We lose ourself in too many thoughts, too many judgment, too

many analyze, too many strategies.

Too many.

Just live, breathe, enjoy, erect something inside of you.

it's there to say yes.

I'm part of this amazing creation, this mystic creation, this, magic creation,

and I just need to dance and love it and enjoy it and honor it and take care of it.

And there's something in there too, like there are all these positive emotions

or what we call positive emotions, the passion, but inside of that there's also

anger and rage and frustration at the way things are, but that can be channeled.

Like once that's free, it can be put with love, it can be channeled in a loving way.

And there's that thread again.

Yeah.

That, that there, the fear is that the Minotaur is going to overtake us.

that primal force is going to devour us.

It

need to devour us.

It's true.

Say that.

It need to devour the ego.

Ah, it needs to

devour.

It's there because it need to destroy the mind, the complexity of the mind,

the hesitation, the confusion, the ignorance, the source of all or freeze.

stuck resistance, uh, lifestyle.

Hmm.

So this need to be devoured completely.

But who I am when I'm a free spirit, a free body, a free fire, in this

world, when I'm dancing with every day, every moment, when I'm, I don't

need nothing and no one to be happy and find this celebration inside of myself.

Who I am when I can love freely without receiving love or

nothing in return, don't care.

I'm here to love.

I'm not here to be loved.

I'm here to love.

I need to share who I am when I'm free from all that bullshit, actually.

I cannot be controlled anymore.

By others.

Society, pain Pass, I'm completely free.

I reach a inner power that nobody can destroy and this everyone

is afraid about because it's a radical change of lifestyle.

I cannot complain.

I cannot be a victim anymore.

I cannot put the responsibility in the power of others.

This is what I'm afraid about.

You're making a really, you're.

Man, getting out of the United States has boggled my mind and it, I already

knew it at one level, but I didn't really understand the depth of the

way the strings are being pulled to keep people afraid and divided.

That this, it is systematically designed that way.

I'm, it's a control mechanism.

This sounds so obvious to say out loud, but once you're really on

the outside and watch it happening from a distance, it's crazy.

And if you are in charge of your own state.

Yeah.

If you are choosing to love and express and be authentic and

you're not afraid to die that way.

Yeah.

She, we will die anyway.

Yeah.

So die the way you are, die the way.

Die in celebration.

Die in a state that you wanna be in.

Die.

Oh, I like that.

Die in celebration.

Each moment that is impossible to control.

We cannot be afraid anymore.

So we will see the world like a big one village.

We'll see humanity as a big one family where we'll see ourself have nothing to

be ashamed about or, but it's also so much controlling and manipulative the

narrative about the body, the beauty, the stigma of, or characteristic or

desire that is configured through, something that is so small right now.

We can love, enjoy, be touched, touch the world, see the world infinitely.

Let's go into that a little bit.

The shame piece, how that is used to control.

I was up against that during the workshop.

It was really alive.

Just all of the things that I felt shame about.

what's what's going on there?

What do you see happening and what's the antidote?

But

it'll always be another, the time love.

But it'll be also kind of humility.

Say the ego need to compare it to be in competition, to perform

to what We lose control of life.

we have lost

control of life.

The don't go is outta

control.

I'm going to try to control this for just a moment

or not.

or not.

I surrender.

Yeah.

So being ashamed, it's make people feel small about themself.

portion desire, sexuality, woman body orgasm, everything that was there to

reach, to make us reach gods, from erotic books of, China, Arabic Society,

Japanese Society, Taoists, India.

There was a way that we were orgasming, living, enjoying, touching, dancing,

screaming to reach, to, to celebrate, to dance until we reach gods.

We dance like a Shiva.

we reach the Great Spirit.

There was those path way all around the world forever because we know,

what we need, but to have someone else have power over us, between us and

what is divine and absolute and great.

But you need to be ashamed and not be, feel guilty of something.

because you don't deserve to be saved until I save you or it save you or so.

It make us so small.

So we became, we were a celebrator.

We were invocator.

Say invocator.

And the one, invo all the one who possess the power to invoke, to bring inside all

the divines energy field of consciousness, awareness, and magic in the world.

We were that for so long in this planet.

And there's some ideology that cut us from that.

And they put shame and guilt as a prison.

So the way that now it's the capitalist view.

they create this, they take the same kind of scheme

To say, ah, but you don't deserve to be love until you use a, this

cream, this synergy, this new color, this car, this, whatever.

You need more to just deserve to be saved actually.

And now we don't want to save by God.

We want to save by society, but, but by others, by being

loved, by pleasing everyone.

it's just we transform.

This kind of, we beg, to be saved.

From a supreme power, and now we just beg fucking each other all the time.

politics, other couple relation.

your boss.

It's like you just beg to be saved.

tell me, I, I deserve that.

Tell me I'm good enough to be loved and be just the dignity to be alive sometimes.

to have happiness, to, to deserve success.

No one is supposed to give us that we have the all right to be, we're already happy.

Outside outsourcing your dignity, like to, to the outside.

give me dignity.

Give me respect.

Yeah.

Make me respectable.

Give the right to exist.

It's even that sometime.

It's so infantilizing.

Yeah.

But it is.

We are, so right now we are in, there's no adult anymore.

Sometime I say that when I, with kindness, I look at each other humans and I say.

Where is the adult?

Who's the fuck is the wise man?

The wise woman of the world?

Oh, we're, even when we get old, we just beg for more for, we

beg for mercy, we beg for bill.

We beg to be saved.

We beg to have attention.

We beg, we always like four years old, like the kids that need

attention and need to be saved and because we never reach this power.

We never reach the state of pure joy, love, power, infinite, primal force.

That creative force that is inside of us.

Nobody celebrate life.

Nobody.

Let this light, this in this life celebrate itself.

Letting the life celebrate itself.

You, I know

you manage life.

Thank you for helping me manage life for while.

We'll see how that goes.

This is, and this is the thing, like there's there pec, I don't know if

this is true, I was about to say, especially with men, but I do feel like

the father archetype, a good fa a good representation of the father archetype or

the, or a good king, a benevolent king.

We don't see that right now.

there's a, there, there is a real dearth of authentic leadership,

of leadership worth following.

And when I say follow, I don't mean get behind them like the band, but emulate.

This person is doing something that works.

our politicians certainly aren't representing that.

but that's the ruler.

I think we need to go back to the origin of the mythology of a ruler.

It is, there's not a king that is a king by itself.

No.

First there was always a queen.

It's a, and it's a inner mythology.

So there was never supposed to have one yang masculine, power that lead alone.

In every mythology, which is gods and goddess, all the pantheos and the pan,

everything is God, everything is theos.

it was always a diversity of.

Gods and goddess, let's say just ex expression of feminine masculine energy,

receptive and active forms of life.

So we were supposed to be in path and listen before acting we were

supposed to have a heart open and caring, to act with strain.

it was already supposed to be a beautiful mix.

It was, there's no unique ruler.

In every true mythology of the world, there was always this dance meeting

chemistry of masculine feminine form that was going together.

And before being a king and a queen, there was a princess and the knight, there

was this ego that need to prove itself.

And there was a princess that most, in most mythology was outside the kingdom.

And was virgin not touched by anyone?

Not contaminate by thoughts, by society, by the world, and live far away up.

Like the soul.

And this virgin part of herself, which is the soul

Was there to be, not to be saved to be reconnect by the hero.

It's the quest of the knight go for the grail which

help to see inside of you.

What is there.

So the princess, it's the yin energy part of the soul inside of us.

And it'll, the knight will go and.

take it

For where it is.

Reach it

Inside and bring it to the kingdom.

Which is our life.

My kingdom is what I do with my life, but this force inside of us,

it's craving for something greater and pure and beautiful and virgin.

So the ruler, without this connection with the soul force, it's the ego authority.

it's a narcissistic, it's manipulative, it's abusive.

Because power and love and compassion need to be together.

Power for power is abusive, always power by itself.

It's abusive.

And love by itself, by the way, it's passive.

So if we want love to reach power and power to reach, they

are supposed to be together.

We're supposed to be fully active and strained and proactive and creative.

With love and empathy and compassion and kindness for each other.

Otherwise, one is anemic and the other one is abusive.

It is the collision.

It's the union of them that are supposed to make us full.

And holding that tension, that's something that gets lost.

People start seeking one or the other.

I hadn't thought about the maiden in the tower from that perspective.

and when you use the word virgin, untouched,

untouched, untouched.

And there's some,

there was no vagina about that.

There, there never.

But, she didn't make love.

I hope she make love a lot.

once connected with the body

because, but it is the, it's the untouched by, actually, it's the mind

that is untouched by the society.

Nobody touch it, but the mind was not corrupted by the, the,

the world of man and egos.

That's an interesting distinction too.

The mind is separate from the ego.

Yeah.

That there is mind, that it just minding world.

Yeah.

It's a space.

It's a space

Yeah.

Awareness.

But then it gets corrupted by the need to dominate the fear of the other, the

pathological impulse to dissect things.

Yeah.

And that this connection of the body and the soul then together,

that's where the breath came in.

Yeah.

With tantra, mind, body, heart.

In service.

that seems like the next thing that's missing is because the mind is still

trying to consume, to extract, but to turn that around, take that power and that

love, but let the love steer the power.

Yeah.

and create something new.

Actually, the cocreation is Shiva Shakti.

The feminine masculine energy is the yin and the yang.

It's everything that is a. I need to be receptive.

And listen to the world to know how to act in the world.

This is the, exactly the composition of my inner feminine masculine ruler.

I have empathy for others, so I know how to talk to them.

When I guide a group, if I don't listen 70% of the time, the even intuitively the

group, I will never know how to guide.

If I just want to guide and teach and I the authority of someone

who know the process, I will be wrong half of the time, or always.

Oh, all the time.

Half of it or more is empathy, listening, compassion, feeling, being in service.

we bring this around, to the personal for what you are making here?

Because you are clearly somebody who is driven by passion and creativity,

but also a sense of purpose.

what are you make, what are you up to?

What is your vision for this?

You up to?

What are,

what are you up to?

What are you up to?

What is your vision

for that?

Thinking about is finding a mango today to eat and I want to go play

with the waves that is so big today.

So I need them to just play with me a little bit, but, to surrender to this.

But yeah, other than that, I want to create a utopia.

So for me, I want, I think that we can own and own actually by, actually we can

have a part of this land, this planet.

And for what we can have for the power that we have, we

can create something good.

So I, I imagine that I create a place where people are free to be

And can explore spirituality, wellness, healing themself,

and the as free as possible

Of the rest of the world, wherever they came from.

To forget all the social persona and to reach this kind of fresh

land of the heart, soul self.

That is there to each with each other.

So I create this space and I continue to make the space bigger and I buy

land around and center and spa and the people that live here and share

a place for coming back every year.

Another one that just visit us for one time and a festival and different

facilitator that also take the space for a different group and.

But I hope we preserve and we take care of, cats and animals and lands and

iguana that we respect and we keep all the stones in this land to build around

because there was nest for iguanas.

So they are still living with us now and.

it's to be how we can coexist in harmony evolutive healing environment.

What makes Zipolite the perfect place for this?

'cause it is clearly the perfect place for this,

So it's just a place to be free.

It's maybe the last boheme Village.

Neo Hippy and Environment.

LGBT Community take part of Vietnam for 10 years approximately, but mostly it

was the hippies that arrived here in the early seventies and style themself, which.

Actually a fisher village.

Port Angel was there three kilometers of beach.

We can be naked or not.

We live in camping in hammock or we build houses and spa and the yoga center.

And there's a circus.

There are artists here.

There's a authentic creative way of life.

Because there's no structure.

Everyone, and there's so much freedom and diversity that it

all allow all of us to just.

create a new paradigm for ourself.

So it's also like a shock sometimes.

It's shocking how everything is there and coexist together, but it's, there's

something that make it exist in harmony.

No violence.

The people sleep naked in the beach in the night that nothing is happening here.

Every ages are local people, tourists, expat, residents.

We all here for now, more than 50 years, almost living in this

place and making it happen.

So I think it's really the last.

boheme hippie free lifestyle compared to Ubud and Goa, that became more commercial.

We will be more commercial too.

Mm-hmm.

New York Times talk to about us every year.

Now different, TV show, like Expat they, they come here and

they film because it's a. Kind of place outside time and space also.

It really is.

So there will be more people.

We need to preserve the authenticity, the culture, but it'll change

because life is changing.

It's impermanent.

I hope because of that, we continue to have the good people that they

came here, they don't want to impose no lifestyle, no identity, no rules,

So we need to be fully aware here.

Everything coexist.

Is there anything I haven't asked you today that you'd

like to bring into the mix?

I don't know.

I think we need to rethink life completely.

I think we need to be a dreamers.

I think we need to go for vision to another vision.

I think we need to seek for vision.

There's the big popularity of being meaningful but meaning came also by

understanding, by rational thoughts, by, I think we need to be a dreamers.

I think we need to be keeper of the dreams.

What is the dreams, the collective dreams, the individual dreams.

But how we dreams the world need to just guide us.

I can't let that go without bringing y was it young or Campbell who

said, dreams are private myths and myths are collective dreams.

And that is, it is what's missing right now.

Yeah.

is a cohesive myth.

Yeah.

We're in a crisis of meaning right now.

No one is happy to fight each other and create a war and killing each other.

There's no dream in it.

So we always, we all dream to take a boat, go there and,

argue them and, and save them.

Say, we want to save each other.

We're there, or our mythology is, it's caring and loving

and sharing and that's it.

but we need to dream.

In the real life.

In the real world.

That's why I do with Pachalegria, how with our resource right now and my life

and who I am, I can at least impose a little bit of this dream in reality.

And you have, this is our

responsibility.

This is a living dream.

Martin, thank you so much for your time today.

Thank, I really appreciate it.

Oh, thank you.

And I, I hope we'll get to have one of these conversations again.

Thanks everybody.

Have a great day.